Artillery

[Harnas]

In this topic, I will be adding photos of shells.
If my descriptions are incorrect, please correct me.
Ammunition for: 8cm (76,5mm) M.14, M.5 and M.5/8 Feldhaubitze

[Harnas]

Anyone have an idea how to name the first 2 grenades on the list?

[thymallus]

Hello, maybe here you find what you are looking for.
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=11178&hilit=8cm+m8

[Harnas]

The topic is very interesting. Unfortunately, this version of the grenades that were used at the beginning of the war is missing.

[thymallus]

It seems the same thing is also on the 7.5 M15 here
https://www.cesimmunizioni.eu/forum/vie ... 5&start=20
There are not many news about it, as written in the 7.5cm topic maybe a model 17 that removed the fragmentation to put more explosives.

If anyone knows more write ...

[usti]

Anyone have an idea how to name the first 2 grenades on the list?
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Harnas the monoblock M5 granate was made in cast iron and was uded fron 1905 untill the ww1. in reality the yours are hibryds, because use the new fuze M15a ( a iron and semplified copy of M5 brass time fuze). Originally the monoblocks use the M5 brass time fuzes, these exist for granades and SHr with a corrred reduction ring for the old shr M5 (made like the shr of 7 cm mountain gun).


I can propose this designation fort the monoblock with 2 driving bands: granate M5/15a, the first used model granate M5/5.
For the nmonoblock with one driving band i don't know when was introduced but i think in 1913 or 1914, exist for 8 cm and for the 7,5 cm guns.

Ha scritto dopo 5 minuti 29 secondi:
Harnas, the first one you post isn't a 8 cm but is it a 7,5cm M15 gs, the 8 cm M14 GS was lower with double ring on driving band.

[Harnas]

The problem is that, as far as I know, the 8cm M.5 Granate with the M.5 fuse had a fragmentation core (it was not a monoblock). Am I wrong?


" 8 cm M.5 Granatpatrone
Era la prima granata esplosiva realizzata per il cannone campale da 8 cm. Era munita di spoletta a doppio effetto M.5, che permetteva l’esplosione durante la traiettoria, ad una determinata distanza dalla bocca da fuoco, oppure all’impatto.
Esternamente la granata presentava una fascia di centramento riportata in rame e il fondello avvitato. All’interno, una serie di anelli a frammentazione prestabilita con al centro la carica principale, garantivano una notevole proiezione di schegge. "

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[usti]

The original granate and shr for M5 gun have got a cast iron monoblock granate and a specifical shr made very similar to the 7 cm M99 shr model.

In the photo an early m5 cast iron monoblock granate (no screw cork in the down) in a transitional conformation because was equiped with a M15a fuze, probably the old M5 brass fuze was rarest on the front and was more common to find on easter front (because the old remances on the depots was transfered on easter front in the 1914).
From the 1915 in effect the new granate had a better performances with the pre-fragmented rings.

The explosive was into the canvass sack.

The M15a iron fuze (erzast impact fuze)) is it a poor copy on a M5 time brass fuze.

[Harnas]

Harnas, the first one you post isn't a 8 cm but is it a 7,5cm M15 gs, the 8 cm M14 GS was lower with double ring on driving band.

You're right, I put the 8cm fuse into the 7.5cm shell. I will try to correct it.

The original granate and shr for M5 gun have got a cast iron monoblock granate and a specifical shr made very similar to the 7 cm M99 shr model.

In the photo an early m5 cast iron monoblock granate (no screw cork in the down) in a transitional conformation because was equiped with a M15a fuze, probably the old M5 brass fuze was rarest on the front and was more common to find on easter front (because the old remances on the depots was transfered on easter front in the 1914).
From the 1915 in effect the new granate had a better performances with the pre-fragmented rings.

The explosive was into the canvass sack.

The M15a iron fuze (erzast impact fuze)) is it a poor copy on a M5 time brass fuze.

Thank you Usti for helping me solve the mystery. Do you know in which year the M.15a fuse was put into use?

[usti]

yes the M15 fuze was introduced in 1915 in A and B types for 15 cm granate-